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I am the process of disconnecting everything in order to pull the engine and I have run into a few snags:
1. I cannot see an easy way to disconnect the throttle linkage between the engine and firewall from the firewall.
2. I have most of the center console disconnected and I still cannot determine how to get the gearshift or knob off so I can drop the transmission.
3. Do I need to to remove the halfshafts or just loosen the mounting bolts to get enough room to slide back the driveshaft housing. In the engine removal it says not to remove them and in the clutch removal it says to remove them???
What am I missing?
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Hi
Not sure if RHD is different but I disconnected throttle cable at the carb linkage end.(clevis & split pin)
You need to remove the ski slope to remove the whole gear shift assembly.
There is a rubber gaite underneath the slope with a rigid frame & 6 bolts the shift lever has a fork at the business end.is removed by two bolts & then 4 bolts holding a spring loaded cast
alloy housing.
The half shafts do NOT need to be removed but sliding the tube & diff back gives only just enough room.to slide the prop shaft off tthe end of the gearbox drive
I am assuming you intend removing engine & gearbox in one piece-it is tight but can be done!!
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Ian L
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Hi Ian,
On the LHD USA car I have, there is a mounting bracket that is bolted to both the engine and the firewall. I cannot get to all of the bolts on the engine mount, therefor I have to remove it from the firewall.
Does the gearshift knob come off by itself or does the whole gearshift have to be removed?
I was planning to take out the transmission first and then remove the engine by itself - is this the best way to do it?
I am assuming the gearshift has to come off to drop out the transmission.
Ian, I noticed you are from Manchester - my wife's mum lives in Stockport. I am also a good friend of Nigel Allison.
Thanks for your feedback.
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Hello again
I do not remember the throttle assembly being like that but I have been to bed since I did it.
The gear knob unscrews anticlockwise.
I thought the best way was to remove engine & gearbox together in one piece.
That was the way I did it & it went in also that way.
I did have the back end jacked up quite a way as shown in the pics & this helped both removal & refitting
Also had to have the front wheels on long 4" deep wood blocks to get the crane base underneath the car.
Also make sure you have plenty of height for the crane jib
Ian
PS Stockport only down the road but I do not know Nigel
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Ian,
I will try removing the engine and transmission together - thanks for the suggestion.
I have everything disconnected but do not seem to be able to move the differential far enough back for the drive shaft tunnel to completely clear the transmission shaft. You do have to get it far enough back so it clears the trans completely - correct? Should I push the tunnel up above the trans shaft or drop it below? Maybe it is irrelevant pulling the engine and trans together.
Nigel is member of the c4 forum and is from Liverpool. I thought he said he knew you.
Cheers, Terry
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Terry
As long as you have the inner shaft free the position of the outer tube does not matter.
When you get some forward movement of the engine it will drop down on to the inner shaft.
Remember to jack up the back end as this gives you an angle to clear the chassis crossmember .
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Also & that the engine & transmission is really long so you need plenty of height in your workshop to clear the end of teh
gearbox -even if you use short lifting straps.
It is a two man job & you need someone to help by raising the crane
Best of
Ian
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Ian,
Thank you for your insight. We actually have the engine out and on the ground now. I had help from Phil Auldridge - I am not sure if you remember him from the C4 Forum. I would like to come visit with you next time I am in the Manchester area - maybe January time frame. Thanks again. Now the real work begins - getting an engine with only 3500 miles on it to look new again.
Cheers, Terry
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Hi Terry
Great that the motor is out now & yes I remeber Phil Auldridge-I used his idiot proof procedure for valve adjustment.
It is in fact part of my Wallace manual. & also great that you have knowledgeable help close.
Did you pull the motor with the gearbox connected?
Did you make an engine stand?
Please post some pics of your motor & the progress you make.
Love to meet up if/when you get to Manchester just let meknow when.
Regards
Ian
PS You might want to edit your post & cut the pics & text( all or some)from your response -seems that my stuff is taking over the pages
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Ian,
It was great having Phil's help.
I did pull both engine and trans together. The only problem we had was the rear of the shift housing caught on the shaft tube. I think we did not have the car enough in the rear and allowed the rear to drop too much. We finally figured it out though. The biggest issue was getting a lift that had a long enough so it would put pressure on the front bumper. Hight was also an issue with the lift I had. We finally found one that worked.
I am in the process of looking at off the shelf engine stand vs. building one from scratch. Any recommendations?
I will let you know well ahead of time when I plan to visit Manchester. The plan now is the first week of January.
I am not quite sure how to remove the pictures - do I select 'edit', delete the picture and text, and the post it?
Cheers, Terry
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Hi again
Great that it is out & yes figuring it out on the way was the way I did it.
You can replace clutch & release bearings & then replace the assembled unit-much easier than doing work on the clutch with the gearbox in situ.
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I will send you engine stand details by direct e-mail-
Regards
Ian L
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Thanks for sending the pictures of the engine cradle. Did you buy it or make it? Do you have the dimensions so I could possibly make one?
Cheers, Terry
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Terry
I made it out of two ordinary relatively cheap stands
I understand that Harbor Freight sell a 1000lb unit for about$50 & you will need two them or similar
With a little bit of welding it is easily done but I had teh engine brackets made by an expert
I will send you the details
Ian
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Terry
A small question, but would be most helpful; how does the chrome gearshift lever itself come off the gearbox? It doesn't unscrew on my car, & I tried pulling pretty hard on it with no joy.
Thanks,
Wil
Tell Your Children Over Dinner, 'Due To The Economy, We Are Going To Have To Let One Of You Go'.
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Wil
Removing the gear lever is is no little job-surprise, surprise.
You need to get at the gearshift gaiter so you have to get under the ski slope- I think you hav eto take the slope out.
Remove the gear shift gaiter which exposes the top of the box.
The lever is held in by two bolts & then four more holding down a spring loaded alloy casting.
The business end of the lever is a fork.
The outer chrome lever cover is a screw fit if my memory serves otherwise it jsut pulls off after you unscrew the gear knob.
It will not pass the rubber trim at the top of the interior trim boot.hence the need to remove the ski slope
& if you look at Tav 24 of the Parts book- all is revealed
Regards
Ian
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Ian,
My center console plate is already removed due to having new ones made. I was able to find an NOS rubber inner gaiter boot (held by six bolts) to replace the destroyed old one. Trouble is, the gearshift lever hole in the NOS gaiter boot is quite small, much smaller than the chrome outer gear lever cover (Tav. 24, item 22). It will split if I try and work it over the chrome outer cover. So I don't have to remove the whole gear lever, just the chrome outer cover.
My outer cover spins freely on the inner gearshift lever (Tav. 24, item 20) without unscrewing. I've pulled quite hard on the outer lever cover to try and get it off the inner lever. I think this outer cover does indeed just pull off/unsnap from the inner lever? I'm getting ready to put an improvised 'fork' under the lower end of the outer cover and whack the fork upwards to try and pop the outer cover off, but don't want to break something (e.g., item 19, 'Sede per Molla') if I exert too much hammer force on the fork. Probably being overly afraid, but hate breaking stuff.
Is that how the outer cover comes off?
Rgds,
Wil
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Wil
You have the ski slope removed & the gar knob also then the chrome gear lever cover should come off??
I would persuade it gently with a small hammer * wooden block but not use real brute force-I am sure itis just
lightly stuck.
Like you I hate breaking things & my electric window switch has just fallen apart in my gentle hands.
Regards
Ian
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Thanks Ian, I'll give it a go.
Bad luck on the switch, there has to be some way besides a $1200 rebuild. That seems a bit excessive, even including casting up a new casing (if that's what is broken), though I am no expert in the area.
Regards,
Wil
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Hi Wil,
Sorry for the delayed response. I have to tell you, I did everything Ian described and I can still not get the knob off the gearshift. I think maybe the previous owner put crazy glue on it. I put it aside for the time being because I have other pressing issues to address. I did however succeed in getting the gearshift separated from the console by unscrewing all of the switches - which allows you to remove the leather cover from the console.
Terry
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Thanks Terry. My problem is getting the chrome outer gear lever off of the inner gear lever, my gear knob came off no problem.
Wil
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Hi Wil & Terry
The reason I have no real memory of what I did is there was no problem that I would have taken time to record a method.
I am just as baffled as you
Best regards
ian
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